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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 28, 2006 10:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Better the Second Time Around

Have you ever been to a show, not been that impressed and then heard a tape later and had your opinion turned around completely? I know the reverse is often true where you'll see a show thinking it was the best ever, then heard the tape later only to be let down a little. Well, anyone out there had the reverse happen? This came up as I was listening to the second night of Richmond in '85, which I remember as leaving me so-so afterwards (I guess it could have been the result of a hangover from the show the night before which blew me away at the time). I never strongly persued a tape of the show and especially when DP's came out with the first night. When I found this wonderful place, I re-listened to that second show and was truly surprised to find that I liked that show better than the first one and it completely went against my memory of the show. I am now actually kind of pissed that I didn't better appreciate that show at the time. At least I can now listen to it and appreciate it anew. Anyone have similar experiences?

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Poster: tonymasiello Date: Sep 28, 2006 1:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better the Second Time Around

10/15/84 Hartford. When I look at the setlists, I clearly remember 10/14 but can't recall any details of the next night (and I was sober :P). When I recently heard the tape of the show I was impressed with how good it was, esp the jam out of PitB.

As for the Richmond shows, you should be happy you were there. If there was ever a show I *could* have attended that I didn't, 11/1 is the one I'd change.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Sep 28, 2006 1:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better the Second Time Around

Richmond the first night was indeed something special. In my opinion the DP does not do the show near enough justice. The energy in the Coliseum that night was incredible, I would have to put it amongst the most powerful I've felt. The Gloria was one of the most glorious feelings I've had at a show, the sight of the entire crowd going absolutely bonkers will stay with me for a long time. Now when I listen to the recording, it leaves me a little flat which I'm guessing is because when you get a feeling like that from a show, no tape will ever recreate it. In fact, I think I only listened to the recording once and will probably not again because I want that memory and feeling to remain un-tarnished. As usual, that's just me.

This post was modified by lehighvet88 on 2006-09-28 20:44:23

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 29, 2006 9:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better the Second Time Around

Again, same exact feeling here. I think coming back to back with the Holloween fun in Columbia the night before helped get the vibe going early. The second set just blew me away. I never found a recording that brought half the energy.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Sep 29, 2006 10:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better the Second Time Around

Same here, and I think that for all us in attendance we never had that same experience at any other show of belting out at the top of our lungs "G-L-O-R-I-AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" GLORIA.

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Sep 28, 2006 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better the Second Time Around

Absolutely.2-21-91. Got a late start, no time to hook up with freinds. Shitty seats, only half a bowl. Ruined the whole experiece. LAter heard the tape and it's damn good.

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Sep 28, 2006 11:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better the Second Time Around

I was there also and agreed with you 100% as to my feelings after leaving Richmond. I always felt the second night was overrated in common circles due to the very good soundboard that circulated soon after. I will now have to go back and give it another good listen. Thanks

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Sep 28, 2006 11:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Better the Second Time Around

Yup... But the best answer comes from Garcia and Lesh who are both on record as saying they've been clueless about the quality of a show they just performed...or flat wrong about it being a great show when it was a bust or vice versa.

Unfortunately, few of the shows I ever attended were stellar performances with the exception of 11/5/77 which turned out to be a Dicks Pick. The memory of it and recorded history of any of the shows don't do justice to the experience...we were havin' a high time!

The closest I've come to re-living a show has been with JGB from small theatre venues. This is where you would be comfortably seated and intently focused on the music. The subsequent recordings from those shows are almost always on par with the original vibe. It's also worth mentioning that we rarely "dropped" for JGB shows...there were other enhancements afoot that seemed more appropriate for those intimate environs.